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05/12/2006, 6:11 PM Alipio Joined on 05/12/2006 Posts 13 need info Hey All Im new to the forum and im turning 14 in February. When i turn 14 i will start doing my PPL and want to become a airline pilot in the future.i have been doing some reading and am confused what a Frozen ATPL is, if someone can explain to me what it is? Also are there reccomendations where to train/study for a CPL/ATPL. Is it cheaper doing it abroad and what countries, when im finished will i need to do anyhting in britain o will the license be excepted world wide? I do hold a portuguese passport but cant do it in portugal as i dont understand 1 word of portuguese, my family are just portuguese. I also hold a south african passport as i was born there, i was maybe thinking of doing the training in south africa if its cheaper but when i come back to britain will i need to do any more tests etc? Thanks    Report

05/12/2006, 6:30 PM McGoo Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 225 Re: need info Hi, have a look at this thread, most of your questions will be answered there!   http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131649    Report

05/12/2006, 7:07 PM MichaelXPO Joined on 25/11/2006 Posts 49 Re: need info yup those forums are the best around,,well from my knowledge.    Report

05/12/2006, 7:09 PM Alipio Joined on 05/12/2006 Posts 13 Re: need info Hey Thanks for the site, i just need to know  somethign propably basic you should know. If i take the intergrated route with oxford training centre do i still need to start doing my PPL in february? still not sure what route to take as some people say intergrated is better    Report

05/12/2006, 7:18 PM Alipio Joined on 05/12/2006 Posts 13 Re: need info  Michael Watterston wrote: yup those forums are the best around,,well from my knowledge. ah i see you live in slough, bracknell here :P    Report

05/12/2006, 7:23 PM MichaelXPO Joined on 25/11/2006 Posts 49 Re: need info well to tell the truth i know little about there requirments of courses, im still quite new :). But to answer your question which i should have done before. Basically a (Frozen) ATPL (ground school) is when you have not yet built up the required flying hours thus you still do not have the desired exprience a airline may wish you to have. Although at this stage you have already passed all the ATPL examinations. There are 14 exams to pass within a given time period, which i think is normally a year or so.      Report

05/12/2006, 7:47 PM McGoo Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 225 Re: need info A "frozen ATPL" is when you hold all the required licenses and ratings but do not have the experience levels for the issue of the ATPL, so basically you hold a CPL/IR a commercial pilots license with instrument rating, yes you can go to Oxford and do an integrated course but do not fall for there marketing spin, the course at OAT will set you back a lot of money, the guy who was followed through the course in Pilot magazine ended up spending around 120k, you could do the same license in a similar time with a type rating for a lot less than half of that, do your research and decide what is best for YOU    Report

05/12/2006, 7:49 PM McGoo Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 225 Re: need info  Michael Watterston wrote: There are 14 exams to pass within a given time period, which i think is normally a year or so. You have 18 months from the date of the first exam pass to pass all 14 exams, these exams are then valid for 36 months from the date of the last pass until you get your IR    Report

05/12/2006, 8:05 PM Alipio Joined on 05/12/2006 Posts 13 Re: need info so if i went modular and got a frozen ATPL can i start working with an airliner as co-pilot?    Report

05/12/2006, 8:24 PM McGoo Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 225 Re: need info Yes you need to complete an MCC course after your CPL/IR which is a multi crew cooperation course which is about 20 hours learning multi crew decision making then start sending those cv's off.    Report

05/12/2006, 8:35 PM Alipio Joined on 05/12/2006 Posts 13 Re: need info thanks for all your help and info, just 1 last question jus tto make sure im getting hte right thing when you say "type rated" what i get fro mthat is you get experiance for example a B737. and also what training school would you reccomend for the training after my PPL to get a type rating. i have until february to decide what im going to do but as you say its cheaper going modular way and as i sayd it will be easy for me just to do the training in SA and come back here and change it to a JAA.   Thanks again    Report

05/12/2006, 9:20 PM McGoo Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 225 Re: need info A type rating is a specific course for an aircraft type, ie Boeing 737, 747 etc, you need to a type rating for each aircraft, this is the last part of your training, so after your PPL you need to build some hours to around 150 then do the ATPL exams and Instrument rating and commercial license (doesn't mater which order), now you hold a CPL/IR license, then do the MCC course, now you hold a "frozen ATPL" next you will be looking for work hoping that the airline will pay for your type rating but it is increasingly common to fund your own. It will be cheaper to do your training in South Africa but try to get JAA licenses rather than FAA and have to convert them all, it depends on where you intend to live and work, if you plan on living in the UK then get JAA licenses.    Report

07/12/2006, 9:53 PM Alipio Joined on 05/12/2006 Posts 13 Re: need info Hey Again I was just having a look around to see the average salary and the only site with a salary on the site is easyjet. what i dont understand is if i done the intergrated course what would i be: http://easyjet.com/EN/Jobs/Pilot/index.html for TRSS it says if you have no experiance you might be able to be TRSS so dont really understand. Thanks    Report

30/01/2012, 6:17 PM Adeeb Choudhury Joined on 30/01/2012 Posts 1 Re: need info hey! im 19 and im planing to study aeronautical engineering. but i also have a plan that after completing my bachelors on aeronautical engineering i want to go for commercial flying. im very confused if im right or wrong in taking this decision.    Report

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