Logging P1 hours

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Logging P1 hours

anita & raymond 26/10/2008, 3:27 PM
In the current Go Flying magazine Pablo Mason suggests that both pilots can log P1 hours when flying together. How does this work? At present we fly together and take it in turns to log P1 with the other flying P2. Obviously if we can both log P1 it will double our hours.

Re: Logging P1 hours

Fg Off Max Stout 26/10/2008, 4:23 PM

Pablo has got it wrong. I picked up this magazine yesterday and instantly noticed this comment.

Pablo wrote "If you're hiring a 152, fly with another pilot. Give the controls to the right had seat pilot and you can both log the hours as P1."

I suspect PM may have been intending to suggest that you could each be P1 for half the time. In an aircraft certificated for single pilot operation (ie all general aviation aeroplanes that I can think of) there is ONE P1 only and anyone else is a passenger - not P1, not P2, just pax. (P2 is the domain of aircraft certified for multi-pilot operation ie airliners, and I believe you are incorrect to be logging any light aircraft time as P2).

The CAA takes the accuracy of logbooks very seriously and anything that could be interpreted as falsifying one's logbook can have quite severe fallout.

Re: Logging P1 hours

Dan Tye 27/10/2008, 10:43 AM
Hello all,

Editor of Go Flying here.

As has been pointed out, Pablo’s comment about, "Give the controls to the right-hand seat pilot and you can both log the hours as P1” is slightly mis-leading.

Whilst you can do this in the military, you cannot do this as a PPL holder.

The point he was making was that if you hire an aircraft with another pilot, you can log P1 for the time you spend at the controls. I should have made this clearer with some editing.

No doubt there is going to be confusion out there so this may lead to a bigger feature on currency and logging hours in a future issue.

To sum up then: If two qualified pilots fly together, each one can only claim P1 hours for the time that they were actually flying the aeroplane (sole manipulator of the controls).

Dan

Re: Logging P1 hours

occasionalpilot 31/10/2008, 11:19 AM

Dan Tye wrote:

To sum up then: If two qualified pilots fly together, each one can only claim P1 hours for the time that they were actually flying the aeroplane (sole manipulator of the controls).
Dan

Oh dear, it gets worse! Being pilot in command has nothing to do with "actually flying the aeroplane" or being "sole manipulator of the controls". As per the ANO, it means the person who "for the time being is in charge of piloting of the aircraft without being under the direction of any other pilot in the aircraft." (My emboldening). It is a routine occurance for a flight to be completed without the P1 having even touched the controls!

In a magazine that purports to educate, it is probably not a good idea to make this stuff up as you go along.

Re: Logging P1 hours

BolkowJunior 02/11/2008, 9:26 AM
Agreed - I wonder if Pablo actually gets PAID for this nonesense! He should stick to what he knows a fast jet jockey (ret'd) His experiences of ignoring aviation legislation relating to on-board security has got him in trouble before!

Re: Logging P1 hours

Aviator|Chris 12/03/2009, 11:22 PM

From my perspective of being new to hopping in the cockpit, and absorbing information, these kind of things worry me.

When it comes to logging hours and so on, what someone tells you as an experienced pilot, you tend to take quite seriously. I'm glad for this forum.