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30/01/2009, 1:57 PM Nicky Joined on 01/02/2006 Nottingham Posts 265 Ex JAR PPL student need advice Hi, I used to visit this forum quite frequently a couple of years ago. Good to see it's still going strong! Right, I was doing my JAR PPL training from EMFS in 06-07 and I moved up to Pheonix to try and save on costs but unfortunatly I could no longer afford to carry on training. I did 24 hours flight training 4 hours of which were solo. I also passed the majority of the theory exams, I only had aircraft technical and human factors left if I remember correctly. I have a valid class 2 medical certificate aswell, so all that left me was the 2 theory exams, RT, QXC and the test. Now I am looking to get back into training after all this time and carry on with a NPPL. My question is how many hours can I carry forward and will I be able to just do the theory tests again? I still have all my kit aswell so I won't need to buy anything just a new map and maybe some up to date training manuals, so what do you predict the costs are for me to get from my current position to qualified NPPL? Thanks for your time to read this, Nick    Report

03/02/2009, 4:11 PM MarkAlbery Joined on 15/02/2006 Los Angeles Posts 35 Re: Ex JAR PPL student need advice Your exam passes will have expired after a couple of years, but the good news is that all your flight training remains valid. A few hours to get back "in the groove" and you should be able to resume where you left off, notwithstanding repeating the exams.    Report

03/02/2009, 8:55 PM Nicky Joined on 01/02/2006 Nottingham Posts 265 Re: Ex JAR PPL student need advice That's good news! :) I won't be far from the NPPL minimum hours then.. 22 instructor and 10 solo i believe (with probably about 3 of the solo hours on the QXC??). I've already contacted the flying school to make sure they still have my training records, I don't know how long they keep them for. I'll get onto them and see if I can get some money off a block booking then ;) Also how much is the final skills test do you only pay for the aircraft at instructors rates? Thanks for the reply, Nick     Report

04/02/2009, 7:45 PM RogD Joined on 15/08/2007 Solihull Posts 69 Re: Ex JAR PPL student need advice Hi Nicky, Welcome back. I'm not sure (I may be wrong) that you even need your training records (as long as your log-book is a true record of your flights). As has been said, all your flying training is valid. NPPL(SSEA)    Minimum 32 hours plus the 2 Flight Tests Consisting of :- All 7 written exams must be passed within 18 months or you're into re-taking the ones that pop out of the time frame. After your last passed written exam, you have up to 2 years to take your flight tests. The RT Practical Test for your FRTOL licence does not have to be taken within the 18 month time frame, but you cannot use the radio after you are awarded your NPPL licence, so it pays to take it sometime before you take the General Skill Test. Flight Test Format:- 1)  Navigational Skill Test with a Flight Examiner. Followed by:- 2)  Solo QXC of over 100 miles with 2 land-aways. Followed by:- 3)  Providing you've had 22 hours or more dual instruction, and had 10 or more hours of solo flight (including solo QXC with 2 land-aways), the General Skill Test with Flight Examiner. 4)  You've done it........ DO NOT block-book, too many flying schools get into financial trouble without any notice to you. Book one or two lessons at a time but no more...... (By the way, it took me 68 hours to attain my NPPL(SSEA), usually it takes about the same as the JAR PPL(A), about 56 hours) Happy landings      RogD    Report

04/02/2009, 9:41 PM Nicky Joined on 01/02/2006 Nottingham Posts 265 Re: Ex JAR PPL student need advice Thanks for the information Rog, much appreciated! Can you also tell me what the requirements are for keeping the licence valid after you have it? Thanks again, Nick    Report

05/02/2009, 10:18 AM RogD Joined on 15/08/2007 Solihull Posts 69 Re: Ex JAR PPL student need advice Hi Nicky, Up until January 2008 the method of revalidation of the NPPL(SSEA) licence was a 'rolling' one. ie: You must have had 12 hours flying time as P1 in the prevoius 24 months (8 under certain circumstances). and 12 take-off's and landings as P1 in the last 24 months. (3 take-off's and landings as the sole manipulator of the controls in the past 90 days to take passengers). Plus A one hour flight with an Instructor within the prevoius 24 months (or a skills test with an examiner within the prevoius 3 months of expiry). All the above was on a rolling basis looking back from the current flight you are about to make. January 2008 it changed from a 'rolling' basis to a fixed term. Now, you still have to do all of the above, but on the date of your General Skill Test pass the Examiner signs a re-validation sheet in your licence with a renewal date entered. All existing NPPL's have until June 2009 to convert to the new system. In 2012 I believe all NPPL licences will be converted to the new LPL European licence, which includes flying to european destinations. For more extensive information regarding the NPPL re-validation visit www.nppl.uk.com it appears on the home page. Happy landings      RogD    Report

08/02/2009, 8:26 PM Boycy Joined on 24/02/2006 Bristol Posts 74 Re: Ex JAR PPL student need advice Hi Nicky, Sorry to hear you had to stop training, hope you get on well with it now. Seems Rog has provided you with all the necessary info, so nothing to add really except good luck - hope you manage to keep it up this time! Took me about 2.5 years to get my PPL (qualified last June!) but well worth it of course. Shout if you're ever in the Gloucester/Bristol area and want to go for a bimble in the skies :-) --rob    Report

13/02/2009, 11:23 AM Nicky Joined on 01/02/2006 Nottingham Posts 265 Re: Ex JAR PPL student need advice Hey Rob! Yeah it was unfortunate but I was still young and I just couldn't afford to keep funding it. I'm in full time work now so it's not so difficult to keep training, but I want to make sure I can afford it this time round because I don't think anyone is fully secure in a job in these times. Looking forward to getting back in the skies again though =) Thanks    Report

05/04/2009, 6:35 PM Nicky Joined on 01/02/2006 Nottingham Posts 265 Re: Ex JAR PPL student need advice Hey all, I got back in the saddle today.. finally! It was a good morning for it where I am and I thoroughly enjoyed it. It all came flooding back and felt somewhat "natural" to me again. So i'm getting in for my air law next week hopefully and straight back into the circuit next weekend and hopefully get going solo again before too long :)    Report

06/08/2009, 7:21 PM Nicky Joined on 01/02/2006 Nottingham Posts 265 Re: Ex JAR PPL student need advice Hey all! Got my QXC done on Sunday! Very nice day for it and I learnt a few things on the way around that are building up my experiences in the air and on the ground! Had some violent nose wheel shimmy on the ground in Conington which I havn't experienced before, even training at East Midlands on the concrete for the first 25 or so hours of my training.. Apperently it's quite common with the Cessnas on concrete, still it was a bit of a shock. All in all a good day though :-) Just a couple of things to catch up on then it'll be in for the GFT. Feel like i'm getting there now!        Report

07/08/2009, 8:04 AM RogD Joined on 15/08/2007 Solihull Posts 69 Re: Ex JAR PPL student need advice Hi Nicky and well done... Have you now decided that you are going for the JAR PPL(A) rather than the NPPL(SSEA)? I only ask, because the flight tests and the solo qualifying cross country for the NPPL(SSEA), are in a different order to the JAR PPL(A) (see my previous post for the NPPL(SSEA). JAR PPL(A) order is: QXC followed by the GST (which can be split if requested into 2 separate tests, Navigational Test and General Handling Test). My very best wishes go with you. Not long now eh! RogD    Report

08/08/2009, 5:48 PM Nicky Joined on 01/02/2006 Nottingham Posts 265 Re: Ex JAR PPL student need advice Thanks Rog! It was a very nice day for flying so it was very enjoyable! I have decided to go the JAR route instead now, possibilities for the future and ventures abroad have both enticed me. I just have a few things to catch up on now then it's the GST, so my aim for qualifying by the end of the year is looking very optimistic now :-) Regards Nicky    Report

09/09/2009, 6:10 PM Nicky Joined on 01/02/2006 Nottingham Posts 265 Re: Ex JAR PPL student need advice Hey Rog,  I passed GST done today! :-) Application form is off in the post so just got to wait for the CAA to do their bit now.. Managed to get it done while the weather has been good. I actually had it booked for last week but the examiner has been ill and is just back this week. Glad that i've done it though! Nicky     Report

09/09/2009, 6:45 PM CFrost Joined on 04/01/2009 EGLK Posts 157 Re: Ex JAR PPL student need advice Ah nice one Nicky,Congratulations! Hopefully i will be there soon. And once again well done, what an achievement! Chris    Report

10/09/2009, 9:19 AM Boycy Joined on 24/02/2006 Bristol Posts 74 Re: Ex JAR PPL student need advice Well done Nicky! Glad you've made it :-) All the best Rob    Report

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